Curse

Skyy High · Mar 30, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Wanting vanity items = bad player?

If you're making yourself miserable over optional vanity stuff...well, maybe that doesn't make you a bad player, but it does mean you have your priorities way out of whack.

Zinger314 · Mar 30, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

If you're making yourself miserable over optional vanity stuff...well, maybe that doesn't make you a bad player, but it does mean you have your priorities way out of whack.

Then explain what the reward for the Guild Wars endgame is.

Avarre · Mar 30, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Then explain what the reward for the Guild Wars endgame is.

The enjoyment of playing the game. Alternatively, if you still consider PvP the logical progression, the experience of competitive play.

Esan · Mar 30, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Then explain what the reward for the Guild Wars endgame is.

The ability to finish everything gameplay-related. After I've done all missions and dungeons in normal and hard mode, vanquished all areas, completed all elite areas, and earned sufficient ranks in PvP title tracks for HoM monuments, I've beaten the game. There is nothing more to do to improve my character/account's achievements.

The remaining things to do (i.e., 90% of title grinding) are playing dress up and filling purple bars for the hell of it.

Malice Black · Mar 30, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Then explain what the reward for the Guild Wars endgame is.

Buying a Battlestation...oh wait wrong game :X

yum · Mar 30, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

The reward for GW2 is most likely trivial.

If they want to attract new players to GW2 and those who don't have EoTN, do you think they will make the reward so good that it discourages new players?

Malice Black · Mar 30, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Full HoM reward -

This person wasted xxx amount of hours for nothing (10)

-Loki- · Mar 30, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The enjoyment of playing the game.

Don't be stupid. No one plays games for enjoyment any more. They only play them for in game rewards to make them feel superior.

Malice Black · Mar 30, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Don't be stupid. No one plays games for enjoyment any more. They only play them for in game rewards to make them feel superior.

I enjoy headshots, and teabagging.

StormDragonZ · Mar 30, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Prophecies was a casual game. Could go through without worrying about anything that made me force myself to work faster through a quest or mission.

Factions changed that. Missions with time limits in some of them, let alone Masters rank times, the ability to be casual died for me.

Nightfall came back and had a little casual aspect. However, once again, the aspect of Masters rank seemed to be the worst part. Jennur's Horde has no casual aspect at all.

Eye of the North, to me, is much harder than the others, but I remembered that most, if not all expansion packs are harder than the original. Still, some places feel like they were only designed for hardcore player's amusement.

In simple terms: EotN feels like it only had in mind for the non-casual gamer.

Operative 14 · Mar 30, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

I completely agree with the OP.

At the time I started playing EotN, I had four characters I would consider my main characters. Granted, there was one among them that has done much more than the others, but still.

I found the HoM discouraging because I have six main characters now, and there is no way I'm going to be able to max out six characters with titles, armors, and other accoutrements. So what to do? Either pick one character and ignore the rest, or ignore HoM and hope the rewards in GW2 aren't that great. I chose the latter, and I'm hoping I don't regret it in a few years time.

Jake_Steel · Mar 30, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Wow, no one does anything but bitch, moan whine and complain around here anymore... It's like this forums is an old folks home or something.

Esan · Mar 30, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Wow, no one does anything but bitch, moan whine and complain around here anymore... It's like this forums is an old folks home or something.

The opposite is true. The median age here is in the teens. And only people who are young enough to take video games seriously bother to bitch and moan on game forums.

cebalrai · Mar 30, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

OH JOY!!!

Another b1tch/whine/moan thread about EotN. We already have sixteen of these.

Shame on you for making multiple threads with the same topic...

Shame on (most of) the rest of you for focusing on the negative and being really b1tchy, sour people. Let's all talk about ways we're not having fun! Wow... what kind of people are you?

I firmly blame the moderators of this site for the crappy content of this thread though. You guys let this crap go on and on. It's as if it's okay to duplicate threads as long as ten days has passed since the last one generated interest. Seriously... you guys are asleep at the wheel. Have a staff meeting or something and figure out which way is up!

Moderators, please close this thread. Please do your jobs and keep this forum worth at least.... something...

Lest121 · Mar 30, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

OH JOY!!!

Another b1tch/whine/moan thread about EotN. We already have sixteen of these.

Shame on you for making multiple threads with the same topic...

Shame on (most of) the rest of you for focusing on the negative and being really b1tchy, sour people. Let's all talk about ways we're not having fun! Wow... what kind of people are you?

I firmly blame the moderators of this site for the crappy content of this thread though. You guys let this crap go on and on. It's as if it's okay to duplicate threads as long as ten days has passed since the last one generated interest. Seriously... you guys are asleep at the wheel. Have a staff meeting or something and figure out which way is up!

Moderators, please close this thread. Please do your jobs and keep this forum worth at least.... something...

Everyone has an opinion if you don't like Ignore it, sheeeesh not everyone likes Eye the North.

Operative 14 · Mar 30, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21

I would suggest, then, that either of you go start a thread about the good things you like in the game so we may contribute to that as well.

Yawgmoth · Mar 30, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Totally 100% agree with OP.
Discouraging? I'd rather call it Epic Fail (tm).

2 simple and obvious reasons for it's fail:

1> HoM (and some titles) should be simply account-based. For plenty of obvious reasons. And with no reasons against it.
Fairness and freedom of playstyles. Ability to contribute to your accumulated achievements center with any of your characters. No playtime wasted. No stupid rewarding of repeating same things over and over, which turns into grind. No disadvantages for players unable to complete all monuments because of having an old character created before Factions release. No forcing playstyles, no making players abandon their characters to play just one. No disadvantaging anyone for doing so...
GW really needs an account-based achievement aggregation engine, and HoM was hyped and expected to be such a thing, but failed miserably. It could have been so amazingly good, so much potential wasted...

2> Complete information about what counts and what doesn't should be made public. GW2 rewards don't matter at the moment, but GW1 is basically done now, they should have decided about what should matter when designing this thing. But if they really know nothing, as they claim, it just means we got a half-assed product, an unfinished pile of ...

Shuuda · Mar 30, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Then explain what the reward for the Guild Wars endgame is.

PvP, and if your one of them people that don't like it, then GW was never the right game for you.

upier · Mar 30, 2008, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Don't be stupid. No one plays games for enjoyment any more. They only play them for in game rewards to make them feel superior.

And because of this - GWEN fails.
It's easily the least enjoyable chapter in the franchise. I guess they ran out of time to implement a bit of fun.
Luckily the other chapters - even after playing trough them a bunch of time - still have that special something.

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

PvP, and if your one of them people that don't like it, then GW was never the right game for you.

Actually - I'd say that's wrong.
Looking at how the game transformed itself - it's clear that PvP WAS considered end-game - but later on it became the alternative rather then the natural progression.

enter_the_zone · Mar 30, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

Prophecies was a casual game. Could go through without worrying about anything that made me force myself to work faster through a quest or mission.

Factions changed that. Missions with time limits in some of them, let alone Masters rank times, the ability to be casual died for me.

Nightfall came back and had a little casual aspect. However, once again, the aspect of Masters rank seemed to be the worst part. Jennur's Horde has no casual aspect at all.

Eye of the North, to me, is much harder than the others, but I remembered that most, if not all expansion packs are harder than the original. Still, some places feel like they were only designed for hardcore player's amusement.

In simple terms: EotN feels like it only had in mind for the non-casual gamer.

Wow, that was totally opposite for me. The fact that Factions missions were able to be completed in less the half an hour was a real bonus to me as a casual player (at that point). It was just a pity the quests to get anywhere were such a slog. Also, most casuals don't care about masters rewards. If you "master" something, you aren't being casual about it.

To be fair, Eye of the North was intended as an elite area for people who had finished all the campaigns and had no challenges left. It wasn't meant to be easy. I think it fit that brief quite well. The storyline is easy enough and doesn't incorporate the most difficult dungeons, keeping most casual players happy. The harder dungeons are definitely not designed for casual gamers, those are challenges for the non-casuals.